As we seek to sharpen each other , 2 Timothy 3:16 says," All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness". Each time you post, please include at least two scriptures that clearly back up what you are trying to say. May God speak to each one of us and perfect us through His Word.

Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Why does it seem that the Torah and our contemporary view of Grace are incompatible?

Amongst the different people posting on this blog there has been the assumption that the Torah and Grace are somehow incompatible. Are they incompatible, or can they work together to enhance our view of scripture and the way we live it out? This question is probably the key factor in why different individuals consider the Torah done away with or finished. What are your thoughts?
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  1. PaulApril 29, 2012 at 1:58 PM

    Seems the blog has died or gone into remission. I've been waiting for someone else to write, as I wasn't too sure if I had anything very valid to add for this topic, but recently had an interesting experience that fits right in. I guess I really didn't think that most people saw Torah and grace as incompatible, but now wonder if it isn't more widespread than I thought. After all, what could you call YHWH's dealings with David after the Bathsheba affair, except extreme grace. Anyway, this last weekend, my wife and I were sharing with a good friend our thoughts on Torah, (shabbat, feasts, food, etc.) and she seemed to understand and has actually been feeling moved in that direction we think. But, she sort of concluded with an honest concern about legalism and that the 'keeping' or 'pursuing' Torah, whatever you want to call it, seems to smack of legalism and not grace. So, by that thinking, she seems to equate obedience to legalism, and that would be incompatible with grace. I doubt she actually would believe that if it were presented in that way, but that seems to be the thinking. We were at a church conference last weekend, and heard it preached several times that basically righteousness is only attained through Christ(and that nothing we can do can lead to any form of righteousness, after all, our works are as filthy rags), so the obvious continuation of that thinking is that anything we do to try to live righteously is vain works or legalism. In reality it seems grace has become license for sin and disobedience.

    Maybe, a good discussion should follow on the difference between righteousness from a life lived in obedience to Torah and the righteousness we attain through the Messiah's death and resurrection?

    I just want to prod you others to revive the blog, as I believe this can be a great avenue to challenge, encourage, sharpen, correct or whatever each other.

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  2. Barrett Steele WarrenMay 2, 2012 at 4:25 PM

    Wearing tsit-tsiyot, abstaining from pork and circumcision are no more in conflict with grace than modesty, abstaining from blood and baptism. The only reason why people think the Torah is in conflict with grace is because the Catholic Church has sold them a bunch of bull. And the Protestant Church failed to correct all the Catholic mistakes.

    Shalom

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